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Ketanji Brown Jackson
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VILLARREAL v. TEXAS
CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF TEXAS
No. 24–557. Argued October 6, 2025—Decided February 25, 2026
David Villarreal’s murder trial culminated with his own testimony. That
testimony was interrupted by a 24-hour overnight recess, during which
the trial judge instructed Villarreal’s attorneys not to “manage his tes-
timony.” 707 S. W. 3d 138 , 142. The judge clarified, however, that
Villarreal was not prohibited from talking to his attorneys and recog-
nized Villarreal’s constitutional right to confer about certain topics,
such as possible sentencing issues. Villarreal resumed his testimony
24 hours later and was subsequently convicted of murder. On appeal,
the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals concluded that the order was a
permissible exercise of the trial court’s discretion.
Held: A qualified conferral order that prohibits only discussion of the de-
fendant’s testimony for its own sake during a midtestimony overnight
recess permissibly balances the defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to
counsel against the burden of offering unaltered trial testimony and
does not violate the Constitution. Pp. 4–14.
(a) The Sixth Amendment guarantees as “fundamental” a criminal
defendant’s right to consult with counsel. Powell v. Alabama, 287 U. S.
45, 68 . When a defendant takes the witness stand, however, he
“[a]ssum[es] the position of a witness,” with its attendant “criticisms
and burdens.” Reagan v. United States, 157 U. S. 301, 305 . These in-
clude the inability to receive advice from counsel aimed at “influ-
enc[ing] the testimony in light of the testimony already given.” Geders
v. United States, 425 U. S. 80, 87 . In Geders, the Court held that a
judge may not entirely prevent a testifying defendant from conferring
with his lawyer during an overnight recess, reasoning that a defendant
differs from a normal witness because he has matters “other than his
own testimony” to discuss, such as “tactical decisions,” “strategies,”
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and the “significance of the day’s events.” Id., at 88 . In Perry v. Leeke,
488 U. S. 272 , 283–284, however, the Court held that a judge may pre-
vent a testifying defendant from conferring with his lawyer during a
brief daytime recess because “there is a virtual certainty that any con-
versation” during such a recess “would relate to the ongoing testi-
mony,” and a defendant does not have a protected Sixth Amendment
right to discuss ongoing testimony with his lawyer. Pp. 4–7.
(b) The line between Geders and Perry is substantive, not merely
temporal. Perry’s premises are content based: A testifying defendant
has a constitutional right to consult about matters such as “the avail-
ability of other witnesses, trial tactics, or . . . plea bargain[ing],” 488
U. S., at 284 , but where no nontestimony topics are involved, the Sixth
Amendment provides no constitutional right to consultation during
breaks in testimony, id., at 281 . A defense attorney may rehearse a
client’s testimony before the client takes the stand and debrief testi-
mony after the client leaves the stand for good. But while the defend-
ant is sworn in as a witness, consultation about the testimony itself—
rather than incidental discussion of testimony in service of other pro-
tected topics—sheds its constitutional protection. This conclusion fol-
lows from the Court’s precedents as well as from the basic principles
underlying conferral orders. Conferral orders embody the traditional
practice of witness sequestration, refashioned to accommodate the spe-
cial protections of a defendant; a rule prohibiting discussion of testi-
mony for its own sake mimics sequestration within constitutional
bounds and advances the central truth-seeking function of the trial,
see Portuondo v. Agard, 529 U. S. 61, 73 . Pp. 7–10.
(c) The trial judge’s order here prohibited Villarreal’s lawyers from
“managing” his “ongoing testimony.” This order permissibly balanced
the truth-seeking function of the trial against Villarreal’s right to dis-
cuss protected topics with his lawyers—things like trial strategy,
whether to consider a guilty plea, and factual information crucial to
tactical decisions. A court cannot prohibit a defendant from obtaining
his attorney’s advice on whether and why he should consider a guilty
plea, even if the “why” includes the impact of ongoing testimony on the
trial’s prospects. But it may, like the court here did, prohibit discus-
sion of testimony as such. Pp. 10–12.
(d) The Court rejects Villarreal’s request for a bright-line rule per-
mitting no restrictions overnight to prevent chilling of protected dis-
cussion. Courts of appeals that have prohibited uncompromising no-
testimony-discussion orders reasonably feared that directives prevent-
ing all discussion of testimony would be impermissibly overbroad. An
order prohibiting only discussion of “nothing but the testimony,” Perry,
488 U. S., at 284 , does not present the same concern. Consultation
about testimony itself—practicing it, debriefing it, and the like—is a
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recognized, distinct tool in every trial lawyer’s preparatory arsenal,
and lawyers ordered to sheathe that tool overnight will have no diffi-
culty doing so. Pp. 12–13.
707 S. W. 3d 138 , affirmed.
JACKSON, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which ROBERTS,
C. J., and ALITO, SOTOMAYOR, KAGAN, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ.,
joined. ALITO, J., filed a concurring opinion. THOMAS, J., filed an opinion
concurring in the judgment, in which GORSUCH, J., joined.
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No. 24–557
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DAVID ASA VILLARREAL, PETITIONER v. TEXAS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF CRIMINAL
APPEALS OF TEXAS
[February 25, 2026]
JUSTICE JACKSON delivered the opinion of the Court.
A criminal defendant has many unassailable rights dur-
ing his trial, including the right not to testify and the right
to access his lawyer. But if and when a defendant takes the
witness stand in his own defense, his status shifts. He does
not shed his rights as a criminal defendant. But he does
assume some of the burdens of a testifying witness.
This case requires us to navigate a tension between one
of those rights and one of those burdens. The right is a de-
fendant’s entitlement to the advice of counsel unrestricted
by judicial interference. The burden is a witness’s respon-
sibility to offer sworn testimony uninfluenced by a lawyer’s
midstream tinkering. Both are longstanding and funda-
mental, as the right forms the heart of the Sixth Amend-
ment’s right to counsel and the burden serves the central
truth-seeking function of a trial.
We have twice addressed this tension in the context of a
trial recess that interrupts a defendant’s testimony. We
held in Geders v. United States, 425 U. S. 80 (1976), that a
court may not prevent a testifying defendant from confer-
ring with his lawyer during an overnight recess. We held
in Perry v. Leeke, 488 U. S. 272 (1989), that a court may
prevent a testifying defendant from conferring with his
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lawyer during a brief daytime recess. The trial courts in
both cases had imposed unqualified bans that separated cli-
ent from counsel entirely.
This case presents a third scenario: an overnight recess
that interrupts a defendant’s testimony—but one in which
the court allows counsel to speak with his client while lim-
iting the content of the discussion. The court here prohib-
ited the defendant’s lawyer only from “managing” the de-
fendant’s testimony; it permitted all other discussion.
Because we conclude that this qualified conferral order per-
missibly balanced the right to counsel against the burden
of offering unaltered trial testimony, we affirm.
I
David Villarreal’s murder trial culminated with his own
testimony. The only defense witness, Villarreal testified
that he stabbed the victim in self-defense while the victim
was trying to choke him to death.
A 24-hour overnight recess interrupted Villarreal’s direct
testimony. Before the recess, the trial judge gave Villarreal
the instruction that has become the centerpiece of this ap-
peal. Apparently concerned that Villarreal’s counsel might
coach Villarreal to adjust the remainder of his testimony,
the judge sought to narrow Villarreal’s ability to confer with
his attorneys overnight.
The judge and Villarreal’s counsel engaged in an ex-
tended back-and-forth over the scope of the order. In the
end, the trial judge left Villarreal’s attorneys with this di-
rective: “[A]sk yourselves before you talk to [Villarreal]
about something, is this something that—manage[s] his
testimony in front of the jury?” 707 S. W. 3d 138 , 142 (Tex.
Crim. App. 2024). Addressing Villarreal, the judge clari-
fied: “I’m not telling you, you can’t talk to them.” Ibid. In-
deed, the judge recognized that Villarreal had “a constitu-
tional right to confer” with his attorneys about certain
topics. Ibid. “For instance, suppose . . . you need to start
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talking . . . about possible sentencing issues, you can do
that.” Ibid. But to the extent Villarreal’s lawyers wished
to “manage” his testimony, the judge placed that off limits.
Ibid.
Villarreal’s lawyers objected under the Sixth Amendment
but indicated that they understood the order’s scope. Id.,
at 142–143. Villarreal resumed his testimony 24 hours
later and was subsequently convicted of murder; he re-
ceived a 60-year sentence. Id., at 140, 143 . At no point did
Villarreal or his attorneys suggest that the qualified confer-
ral order had inhibited any conversation they wished to
have. See id., at 143 .
II
The Court of Appeals of Texas affirmed Villarreal’s con-
viction, see 596 S. W. 3d 338 (2019), as did the Texas Court
of Criminal Appeals (TCCA), see 707 S. W. 3d 138 . The
TCCA understood the challenged conferral order as an ef-
fort to “preserv[e] the truth-seeking function of trial” and
thus construed the order as prohibiting Villarreal’s lawyers
from “managing” his “ongoing testimony.” Id., at 146 . In
the TCCA’s view, the order was a permissible exercise of
the trial court’s discretion because it “only restricted discus-
sions of [Villarreal’s] ongoing testimony and nothing else.”
Ibid. Although a defendant must be able to confer with
counsel about the “effects” of his testimony, the TCCA rea-
soned, a trial court may prohibit more explicit discussion of
the defendant’s testimony itself. Id., at 145 . The TCCA ex-
plained that a trial court may, for example, order defense
counsel not to “coach the testimony to course-correct a dis-
astrous direct examination to brace against the impact of
the upcoming cross-examination.” Ibid.
In separate writings, multiple TCCA judges expressed
hesitation with the “murky” line that emerges from Geders
and Perry. See 707 S. W. 3d, at 147–148 (Yeary, J., concur-
ring). They worried that confusion about the proper scope
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of conferral orders risks trenching on a defendant’s Sixth
Amendment right to obtain full, unqualified advice on mat-
ters key to the effective assistance of counsel, such as
whether to plead guilty. See id., at 148 (same); id., at 150
(Keel, J., concurring).
Those judges are among many who have struggled with
the permissibility of similar orders and who have diverged
both in their bottom-line conclusions and in their reason-
ing.1 We granted certiorari to clarify the Sixth Amend-
ment’s boundaries. 604 U. S. 1241 (2025).
III
The Sixth Amendment guarantees as “fundamental” a
criminal defendant’s right to consult with his counsel. See,
e.g., Powell v. Alabama, 287 U. S. 45, 68 (1932). When a
defendant opts to take the witness stand, however, he
“[a]ssum[es] the position of a witness,” with its attendant
“criticisms and burdens.” Reagan v. United States, 157
U. S. 301, 305 (1895). One such burden: Courts may limit
advice from counsel aimed at “influenc[ing] the testimony
in light of the testimony already given.” Geders, 425 U. S.,
at 87 .
During a normal trial recess—one that does not interrupt
the defendant’s testimony—no such influence is threatened
and the Constitution plainly protects a defendant’s right to
access his counsel without judicial interference. But during
a midtestimony recess (when the defendant not only enjoys
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1 Compare, e.g., Martin v. United States, 991 A. 2d 791 , 794–795, and
n. 13 (D. C. 2010) (concluding that an order banning discussion of testi-
mony during an overnight recess violated the Sixth Amendment and col-
lecting supporting cases), with Beckham v. Commonwealth, 248 S. W. 3d
547, 553 (Ky. 2008) (allowing an order “permitting the defendant to have
contact with his attorneys during an overnight recess while limiting that
contact by telling the attorneys to not discuss their client’s ongoing tes-
timony”). See also United States v. Triumph Capital Group, Inc., 487
F. 3d 124, 127, 133 (CA2 2007) (noting that “courts have struggled to
define the constitutional line between Geders and Perry”).
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the Sixth Amendment’s protection but also bears a wit-
ness’s burdens), it is less clear whether and to what extent
the Sixth Amendment permits judge-imposed restrictions
on the defendant’s access to counsel.
This Court first encountered that question in Geders. An
overnight recess divided Geders’s direct testimony from his
cross-examination. Before the recess, the judge ordered
Geders not to discuss the case overnight with anyone. 425
U. S., at 82–83, and n. 1. Geders’s attorney objected to this
absolute conferral ban, explaining that he believed his cli-
ent had a right to confer with him “about matters other
than the imminent cross-examination.” Id., at 82.
This Court agreed. The trial judge’s order, we explained,
was a species of the traditional practice of witness seques-
tration. “Applied to nonparty witnesses,” the practice is un-
objectionable and “within sound judicial discretion.” Id., at
88. But Geders “was not simply a witness; he was also the
defendant.” Ibid. And whereas “[a] nonparty witness ordi-
narily has little, other than his own testimony, to discuss
with trial counsel” during an overnight recess, the same is
not true of a defendant: “It is common practice during such
recesses for an accused and counsel to discuss the events of
the day’s trial.” Ibid. Indeed, we explained,
“[s]uch recesses are often times of intensive work, with
tactical decisions to be made and strategies to be re-
viewed. The lawyer may need to obtain from his client
information made relevant by the day’s testimony, or
he may need to pursue inquiry along lines not fully ex-
plored earlier. At the very least, the overnight recess
during trial gives the defendant a chance to discuss
with counsel the significance of the day’s events.” Ibid.
For those reasons, we held in Geders that the Sixth
Amendment precludes the judge from keeping a defendant
and his lawyer apart during that crucial interlude in the
defendant’s testimony. We observed that concerns about
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“the problem of possible improper influence on testimony or
‘coaching’ of a witness” can be addressed without so blunt
an instrument as a complete overnight barrier. Id., at 89.
And, “[t]o the extent that conflict remains” between the
Constitution and the interest in untutored cross-
examination, we concluded that “the conflict must, under
the Sixth Amendment, be resolved in favor of the right to
the assistance and guidance of counsel.” Id., at 91.
Geders explicitly reserved judgment regarding the consti-
tutionality of a shorter conferral restriction, like one gov-
erning “a brief routine recess during the trial day.” Id., at
89, n. 2. But when that question arose 13 years later in
Perry, we upheld the restriction, emphasizing a defendant’s
shift in status when he takes the stand. “[B]efore he begins
to testify,” we reasoned, a defendant “has an absolute right”
to consult with his lawyer. 488 U. S., at 281 . When he be-
comes a witness, however, a competing duty arises: the
duty to advance “the truth-seeking function of the trial.”
Id., at 282 . That function, we explained, is best served
when testimony is unaided by “an opportunity to consult
with third parties,” such as lawyers, about the course of
one’s testimony once it has begun. Ibid.
Then, Perry made a key observation: As a practical mat-
ter, a truth-undermining consultation is exactly the kind of
communication likely to happen during a brief daytime re-
cess. That is, during a brief recess, “there is a virtual cer-
tainty that any conversation between the witness and the
lawyer would relate to the ongoing testimony.” Id., at 283–
284. Notably, this fact differentiated the Perry recess from
the Geders one. When (as in Geders) the recess stretches
overnight, the discussion will likely “encompass matters
that go beyond the content of the defendant’s own testi-
mony—matters that the defendant does have a constitu-
tional right to discuss with his lawyer, such as the availa-
bility of other witnesses, trial tactics, or even the possibility
of negotiating a plea bargain.” Perry, 488 U. S., at 284 .
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Perry therefore held that what the Sixth Amendment for-
bids overnight (a total conferral ban), it permits during a
brief daytime recess. Perry also suggested that, during such
a brief recess, trial courts might opt for a lesser included
restriction—one that would permit consultation on pro-
tected topics “but forbid discussion of ongoing testimony.”
Ibid., n. 8.
We acknowledged in Perry that “the line between the
facts of Geders and” Perry “is a thin one.” Id., at 280 . It is
nonetheless “a line of constitutional dimension.” Ibid.
IV
A
Before us, Villarreal and Texas place that line along dif-
ferent axes. For Villarreal, the line is temporal. Villarreal
concedes that, during a brief daytime recess, a defendant
has no right to confer. But during an overnight recess, Vil-
larreal insists, the conferral right is absolute and unquali-
fied; that is, an overnight recess is different in kind such
that the Sixth Amendment admits no restriction.
For Texas, the line is substantive. The reason Perry held
a total nonconferral order permissible during a brief day-
time recess, Texas argues, is because of the unprotected
content of discussion that presumably occupies such a re-
cess, not simply because of the amount of time the recess
lasts. And if that is so, then a court order prohibiting only
unprotected content (like, Texas posits, the one here) com-
ports with the Sixth Amendment.2
We conclude that Texas is correct. Underlying Perry are
two premises. One is factual and the other legal, but both
are content based. First, while Perry recognizes that a tes-
tifying defendant has a constitutional right during a
midtestimony recess to consult with his lawyer about a
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2 The lower courts have likewise diverged with respect to this subsidi-
ary time-versus-content question. See Serrano v. Fischer, 412 F. 3d 292 ,
299–300 (CA2 2005) (Sotomayor, J.) (collecting cases).
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wide range of topics—“the availability of other witnesses,
trial tactics, or even the possibility of negotiating a plea bar-
gain,” id., at 284—it posits that a short break in a defend-
ant’s appearance on the witness stand is unlikely to feature
such topics. Instead, such a pause will likely contain dis-
cussion of “nothing but the testimony.” Ibid. So, then,
Perry’s second (correlative) premise emerges: A midtesti-
mony defendant does not have a protected Sixth Amend-
ment right to discuss his ongoing testimony with his law-
yer. Put differently, where no nontestimony topics are
involved, the Sixth Amendment provides no constitutional
right to consultation during breaks in the defendant’s testi-
mony. Id., at 281.
In less prominent form, the same content-based premises
undergird Geders. The Court there explained that a defend-
ant differs from a normal witness because the defendant
has matters “other than his own testimony” to discuss. 425
U. S., at 88 (emphasis added). And Geders’s lawyer appar-
ently shared that same assumption, because he insisted
that he and his client must be permitted to confer “about
matters other than the imminent cross-examination.” Id.,
at 82 (emphasis added).
Villarreal’s hardline position—that the Sixth Amend-
ment permits no restriction of a defendant’s consultation
right during an overnight recess—thus fails to account for
the content-related premises underlying Geders and Perry.
It is inconsistent too with another such premise: Perry’s ex-
planation that something shifts “when a defendant becomes
a witness.” 488 U. S., at 281 ; see also id., at 282 (“[W]hen
he assumes the role of a witness, the rules that generally
apply to other witnesses—rules that serve the truth-
seeking function of the trial—are generally applicable to
him as well”). Villarreal says the shift merely allows a
judge to prohibit “impermissible coaching,” which Villarreal
defines as soliciting perjury. Tr. of Oral Arg. 37. But, of
course, soliciting perjury is always improper; a judge’s
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instruction to avoid it would raise no more eyebrows at the
outset of trial than leading into a midtestimony recess. See
Nix v. Whiteside, 475 U. S. 157, 166 (1986). On Villarreal’s
view, the defendant’s taking the witness stand works no
change in the judge’s discretion to preserve “the truth-seek-
ing function of the trial.” Perry, 488 U. S., at 282 .
By contrast, Texas’s reading—and now ours—gives con-
tent to Perry’s framework: What shifts is the protection af-
forded to a certain subset of consultation. That subset, we
hold, is discussion of testimony for its own sake—what
Perry called “nothing but the testimony.” Id., at 284 . A de-
fense attorney may rehearse her client’s testimony before
her client takes the witness stand. See ABA Standing Com-
mittee on Ethics and Professional Responsibility, Formal
Opinion 508: The Ethics of Witness Preparation 1–4 (Aug.
5, 2023) (Formal Opinion 508). And a defense attorney may
debrief her client’s testimony after her client leaves the wit-
ness stand for good. Such discussion of testimony qua tes-
timony is entirely proper and the consultation that enables
it is constitutionally protected before the defendant’s testi-
mony begins and after it concludes. But for the duration of
the defendant’s time on the stand, consultation about the
testimony itself—rather than incidental discussion of testi-
mony in service of protected topics—sheds its constitutional
protection.
This means that, as even Texas acknowledges, a court
cannot prohibit a lawyer from asking his client about a new
potential witness or a piece of evidence mentioned for the
first time during the defendant’s testimony, or a defendant
from asking his lawyer about compliance with the court’s
evidentiary rulings. See Brief for Respondent 27–28. What
it may prohibit is discussion of testimony for its own sake.
Such discussion threatens to shape the defendant’s testi-
mony and undermine the trial’s search for the truth.
This rule follows naturally from our precedents and the
principles underlying them; in particular, the recognition
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that conferral orders are “a corollary” of the traditional
practice of witness sequestration, refashioned to accommo-
date the special protections of a defendant. Perry, 488 U. S.,
at 281–282. Witness sequestration (the exclusion of a wit-
ness from the courtroom prior to his testimony) prevents
the witness from “adapt[ing] his testimony . . . to victory ra-
ther than to veracity, so as to meet the necessities as laid
open by prior” testimony. 6 J. Wigmore, Evidence §1869,
p. 502 (3d ed. 1940); accord, Perry, 488 U. S., at 281–282.
Pure sequestration is, of course, incompatible with a de-
fendant’s right to attend his trial and to consult his attor-
ney. See Geders, 425 U. S., at 88 ; Brooks v. Tennessee, 406
U. S. 605, 607 (1972). But a rule prohibiting the discussion
of testimony for its own sake mimics sequestration within
constitutional bounds. It restrains real-time feedback
aimed at chameleonic adjustments in the defendant’s testi-
mony and thus (like true sequestration) advances “the cen-
tral function of the trial, which is to discover the truth.”
Portuondo v. Agard, 529 U. S. 61, 73 (2000).
In short, we agree that “[t]he difference between Perry
and Geders is not the quantity of communication restrained
but its constitutional quality.” United States v. Padilla, 203
F. 3d 156, 160 (CA2 2000). And while many topics retain
constitutional protection during extended breaks in a de-
fendant’s testimony (see Part IV–B, infra), testimony qua
testimony does not.3
B
While not a model of clarity, the trial judge’s order here
did enough to tailor the “quality” of forbidden consultation,
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3 To be clear, we address here only the constitutional protection for—
and not the ethical propriety of—discussion of testimony during an over-
night recess. In other words, this opinion solely considers the extent of
a court’s discretion to ban such consultation. See Perry v. Leeke, 488
U. S. 272 , 284–285 (1989). We do not disturb what a lawyer may discuss
with her client in the absence of a court order. Nor do we touch upon
what a lawyer must discuss with her client to render effective assistance.
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Padilla, 203 F. 3d, at 160 , to the rule we discern from
Geders and Perry. As the TCCA explained, the order pro-
hibited Villarreal’s lawyers from “managing” his “ongoing
testimony.” 707 S. W. 3d, at 146. Forbidding that mode of
discussion permissibly balanced the truth-seeking function
of the trial against Villarreal’s right to discuss protected
topics with his lawyers.
Those protected topics are not insignificant. Indeed, un-
der the rule we announce, many topics a testifying defend-
ant and his lawyer might discuss during a midtestimony
overnight recess remain protected. No less than before or
after his testimony, a defendant’s access to advice about
trial strategy remains essential to the collaborative enter-
prise that is criminal defense. See McCoy v. Louisiana, 584
U. S. 414 , 421–424 (2018). We have long held that “ ‘[a]n
accused is entitled to be assisted’ ”—not merely directed—
“ ‘by an attorney.’ ” Kimmelman v. Morrison, 477 U. S. 365,
377 (1986) (quoting Strickland v. Washington, 466 U. S.
668, 685 (1984)).4 And just as lawyer advises client, so too
does client advise lawyer: “More than merely allowing the
defendant to participate in tactical decisions, consultation
enables the lawyer to obtain factual information crucial to
making them.” United States v. McLaughlin, 164 F. 3d 1,
17 (CADC 1998) (Tatel, J., dissenting).
As we explained in Perry, a court may not stem this col-
laboration merely because it involves incidental discussion
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4 See also, e.g., Faretta v. California, 422 U. S. 806, 820 (1975) (explain-
ing that the Sixth Amendment “speaks of the ‘assistance’ of counsel, and
an assistant, however expert, is still an assistant”); Gannett Co. v. De-
Pasquale, 443 U. S. 368, 382, n. 10 (1979) (observing that the Sixth
Amendment “contemplat[es] a norm in which the accused, and not a law-
yer, is master of his own defense”); Florida v. Nixon, 543 U. S. 175, 178
(2004) (“Defense counsel undoubtedly has a duty to discuss potential
strategies with the defendant” (citing Strickland, 466 U. S., at 688 ));
Morris v. Slappy, 461 U. S. 1, 21 (1983) (Brennan, J., concurring in re-
sult) (“[T]he attorney must work closely with the defendant in formulat-
ing defense strategy”).
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of testimony. 488 U. S., at 284 ; accord, Geders, 425 U. S.,
at 91 (explaining that any conflict between the Sixth
Amendment and the desire for untutored testimony must
“be resolved in favor of the right to the assistance and guid-
ance of counsel”). For example, a court cannot prohibit a
defendant from obtaining his attorney’s advice on whether
and why he should consider a guilty plea—even if the “why”
includes the impact of his ongoing testimony on the trial’s
prospects. The Sixth Amendment does not abide a take-my-
word-for-it vision of the attorney-client relationship. It
does, however, tolerate a midtestimony conferral order pro-
hibiting discussion of testimony as such, lest that discus-
sion shape future testimony “in light of the testimony al-
ready given.” Id., at 87 . The no-testimony-management
order entered here falls on the constitutional side of that
line.5
C
Having rejected Villarreal’s frontline argument (that the
Sixth Amendment affirmatively protects access to testi-
mony management during an overnight recess), we also re-
ject his backup. Even if the Sixth Amendment’s protection
does not itself span the full range of topics that might come
up during a midtestimony recess, Villarreal asks for a
prophylactic rule bubble-wrapping what the Sixth Amend-
ment does protect. In Villarreal’s view, a line dividing dis-
cussion of testimony from discussion of other topics is “no
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5 The line between discussion of testimony for its own sake and discus-
sion of testimony incidental to other topics may not always be razor
sharp. We trust that defense counsel will not evade the spirit of qualified
conferral orders by couching discussion of testimony qua testimony in
strategic terms. For instance, unprotected discussion does not become
protected simply by way of a preface explaining that a defendant’s
“chances of acquittal will improve” if he adjusts his testimony. Although
such advice involves strategic considerations, at its core it seeks to shape
future testimony in light of past testimony and thus is unprotected. Ac-
cord, post, at 4–5 (ALITO, J., concurring).
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line at all.” Brief for Petitioner 25. And so Villarreal fears
that conferral orders like the one at issue here will operate
to chill protected discussion in effect even if they do not do
so formally. Villarreal thus demands a bright-line rule per-
mitting no restrictions overnight.
This argument, which is not without force, has persuaded
a number of lower courts. See, e.g., United States v. Santos,
201 F. 3d 953, 965 (CA7 2000) (“Perry makes clear” that a
no-discussion-of-testimony order violates the Sixth Amend-
ment because it “would as a practical matter preclude the
assistance of counsel across a range of legitimate legal and
tactical questions”); United States v. Triumph Capital
Group, Inc., 487 F. 3d 124 , 132–133 (CA2 2007) (similar);
United States v. Cobb, 905 F. 2d 784, 792 (CA4 1990) (sim-
ilar). But, importantly, those courts addressed conferral or-
ders banning any and all discussion of the defendant’s tes-
timony, even if incidental to protected topics.
Uncompromising no-testimony-discussion orders like
those are easy to articulate and hard to apply. That is be-
cause, as we have explained, protected discussion—e.g., de-
liberation over whether to accept a guilty plea—often must
involve some discussion of testimony. The courts of appeals
that have prohibited blanket no-discussion orders have rea-
sonably feared that directives preventing all discussion of
testimony, full stop, would be impermissibly overbroad and
thus dilute the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee.
The same concern is not present with an order prohibit-
ing only discussion of “nothing but the testimony.” Perry,
488 U. S., at 284 . Consultation about testimony itself—
practicing it, debriefing it, and the like—is a recognized,
distinct tool in every trial lawyer’s preparatory arsenal.
See, e.g., Brief for Legal Ethics Scholars as Amici Curiae
10–11; Formal Opinion 508, at 1–2. We trust that lawyers
ordered to sheathe that tool overnight will have no diffi-
culty doing so.
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V
We do not share JUSTICE THOMAS’s view that today’s de-
cision “needlessly expands our precedents.” Post, at 2 (opin-
ion concurring in judgment). It is true that “Perry never
stated” the rule we draw from it and Geders. Post, at 7. If
it did, there would have been no need to take this case. But
for the reasons explained above, today’s result follows
neatly from our precedents.
“[B]efore he begins to testify,” a defendant “has an abso-
lute right” to confer with his lawyer. Perry, 488 U. S., at
281 ; accord, Geders, 425 U. S., at 88 . Once he begins to tes-
tify, what was absolute becomes qualified, as “the testifying
defendant does not have a constitutional right to advice”
about his “ongoing testimony.” Perry, 488 U. S., at 284 . But
the testifying defendant “does have a constitutional right to
discuss” “matters that go beyond the content of [his] own
testimony,” even though “such discussions will inevitably
include some consideration of the defendant’s ongoing tes-
timony.” Ibid.; accord, Geders, 425 U. S., at 88, 91 . We say
no more than that today.
* * *
The conferral order here prevented only one thing during
the overnight recess that bifurcated Villarreal’s testimony:
Villarreal’s lawyers could not manage his ongoing testi-
mony in light of the testimony he had already given. Such
management amounts to discussion of testimony qua testi-
mony and therefore falls on the unprotected side of the line
we discern from our precedents. Accordingly, the conferral
order did not ban or impermissibly chill constitutionally
protected consultation. The judgment of the TCCA is af-
firmed.
It is so ordered.
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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
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No. 24–557
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DAVID ASA VILLARREAL, PETITIONER v. TEXAS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF CRIMINAL
APPEALS OF TEXAS
[February 25, 2026]
JUSTICE ALITO, concurring.
I agree that the trial court did not violate petitioner’s
Sixth Amendment right to the assistance of counsel by re-
stricting consultation with his attorney during an overnight
midtestimonial recess. I write to set out the framework un-
der which courts should analyze limitations on communica-
tions between a criminal defendant and his attorney during
a break in the defendant’s testimony.
I
I begin with a word about the origin and nature of the
constitutional right that petitioner invokes, that is, the
right to confer with his attorney during an overnight break
in his testimony. Petitioner claims that the Sixth Amend-
ment right to the assistance of counsel includes this right.
When the Sixth Amendment was adopted, however, crimi-
nal defendants could not testify in their own defense be-
cause they were not considered competent witnesses. See
Rock v. Arkansas, 483 U. S. 44 , 49–50 (1987). It follows that
a defendant could not consult with an attorney about such
testimony. Most States did not allow defendants to take the
stand until well into the 19th century, see Ferguson v. Geor-
gia, 365 U. S. 570 , 576–577, and nn. 5–6 (1961), and this
Court did not squarely recognize a defendant’s constitu-
tional right to testify in his own defense until its 1987 deci-
sion in Rock, 483 U. S., at 49 . Even then, the Court did not
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hold that the Sixth Amendment alone conferred this right.
The Court pointed to several possible sources of the right
but appeared to rely primarily on the Due Process Clause.
See id., at 51 . And the Court made clear that the constitu-
tional right to testify was subject to limitations designed to
protect the truth-seeking function of trial. Id., at 55–56,
and n. 11. Limitations on midtestimonial attorney-client
communications must therefore be analyzed against this
backdrop.
II
In considering the permissible scope of a defendant’s
midtestimonial consultation, it is helpful to begin with the
baseline situation in which a defendant completes both di-
rect and cross-examination without any break in the pro-
ceedings. In that situation, the governing rules allow the
jury to hear the defendant’s story in his own words from his
own mouth, not a version of that story scripted or choreo-
graphed by counsel. A defendant may not, for instance, sign
and present to the jury a carefully crafted affidavit of events
written by counsel. Nor may the defense show the jury a
video in which the defendant recites a prepared statement.
And when the defendant is on the stand, defense counsel
cannot pass him notes or speak to him via an earpiece.
Instead, the defendant must take the stand and speak di-
rectly to the jury in his own words. During direct examina-
tion, defense counsel generally may not lead the witness.
Fed. Rule Evid. 611(c). That is, counsel may not ask ques-
tions in a form that suggests the answer that the defendant
should give. And during cross-examination, counsel’s par-
ticipation is limited to objecting to any improper questions.
Otherwise, the defendant is on his own.
A break in the proceeding—either a short break during
the trial day or an overnight recess—should not fundamen-
tally alter the rule that the defendant must testify without
coaching by counsel. That is why we have held that during
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a brief break a trial judge may prohibit all communications
between the defendant and counsel. Perry v. Leeke, 488
U. S. 272, 281 (1989). In that situation, we observed, there
was a “virtual certainty” that any communication between
the defendant and his attorney would “relate to the ongoing
testimony.” Id., at 283–284. When a defendant decides to
take the stand, his testimony is a critical stage of the trial.
If the jury comes away with a low opinion of his character
or simply disbelieves his testimony, the chances of convic-
tion increase, and if the jury forms a favorable opinion of
the defendant and believes his testimony, he has a greater
chance of acquittal. Thus, during this critical phase, coun-
sel will almost certainly prioritize bolstering the defend-
ant’s testimony over all other matters. And since a short
break gives the defendant and counsel little time to con-
verse, they will likely discuss only the most urgent topic at
hand. With much at stake and limited time for consulta-
tion, it is almost certain that any discussion will concern
the remainder of the client’s make-or-break testimony, not
other matters that can be discussed after the testimony
ends.
A trial judge could deal with this situation by allowing
the defendant and counsel to confer but instructing them
not to talk about the defendant’s testimony. But the judge
would have little ability to determine whether the defend-
ant and counsel obeyed this instruction. The judge could
not sit in on their conversation or later ask them what they
said. Instead, the judge would have to rely heavily on the
attorney’s good faith. Although we may presume that most
defense attorneys would try to follow the judge’s instruc-
tions, our decision in Perry—holding that consultation dur-
ing a short midtestimonial break may be completely
barred—eliminates the danger of noncompliance.
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III
When a defendant’s testimony cannot be completed by
the end of a trial day, the situation is somewhat different.
Some things remain the same: Because of its centrality, the
defendant’s testimony is very likely still the top priority.
Accordingly, counsel’s incentive to improve that testimony
will remain strong. But because they will have more time,
the likelihood that the attorney and client will also seek to
discuss matters unrelated to the defendant’s testimony will
be greater. And particularly if the defendant’s testimony is
anticipated to finish before the end of the next trial day, the
attorney and client might need to discuss other defense wit-
nesses who will follow the defendant on the stand, as well
as any rebuttal witnesses the prosecution might call.
In light of these different circumstances, the Court struck
a different balance in Geders v. United States, 425 U. S. 80
(1976), and held that a trial judge may not prohibit all at-
torney-client consultation during an overnight break. But
that decision did not alter the baseline rule that, if a de-
fendant elects to take the stand, the jury is entitled to hear
the defendant’s own story in his own words, not a version
crafted or edited by counsel. Thus, during an overnight
break, a defendant may consult his attorney about matters
other than the defendant’s testimony, but any efforts to
shape what the defendant will say when he resumes testi-
fying are improper. And attempts to achieve that end indi-
rectly are just as improper as attempts to do so directly.
For example, consider what defense counsel could and
could not properly say during an overnight break concern-
ing the tactical decision whether to seek a plea deal. Coun-
sel could say, “Let’s discuss what plea terms you would be
willing to agree to,” or, “We should seek a deal because
there is a strong chance the jury will find you guilty.” But
counsel could not say: “We will really need to secure a deal
unless you clean up mistakes A, B, and C that you made
today on the stand.” Nor could counsel say: “We will really
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need to secure some sort of deal unless, when you return to
the stand tomorrow, you stop scowling, looking down, and
making nervous gestures with your fingers.” Such efforts
would constitute the sort of improper “coaching” that
Geders does not allow. They would not be “incidental.”
Ante, at 9, 12, and n. 5, 13.
At bottom, a defendant and his counsel may not engage
in midtestimonial discussions that affect the truth-seeking
function of trial by improving or shaping the defendant’s
ongoing testimony. I join the majority opinion with the un-
derstanding that it draws this line.
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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
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No. 24–557
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DAVID ASA VILLARREAL, PETITIONER v. TEXAS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF CRIMINAL
APPEALS OF TEXAS
[February 25, 2026]
JUSTICE THOMAS, with whom JUSTICE GORSUCH joins,
concurring in the judgment.
David Villarreal testified in his own defense at his mur-
der trial. Partway through Villarreal’s testimony, trial re-
cessed for the day. The trial judge gave Villarreal and his
counsel an order limiting what they could discuss during
the break in his testimony. The judge told them that they
could confer with each other overnight, but not about Vil-
larreal’s ongoing testimony. Villarreal was convicted. He
now challenges the trial judge’s order as violating his Sixth
Amendment right to counsel.
The trial judge’s order did not violate Villarreal’s right to
counsel under our precedents. In Geders v. United States,
425 U. S. 80 (1976), this Court held that a trial judge cannot
bar a testifying defendant from conferring with counsel
overnight because of his interest in discussing matters
“other than his own testimony.” Id., at 88 . In Perry v.
Leeke, 488 U. S. 272 (1989), this Court held that a trial
judge can bar a testifying defendant from conferring with
counsel during a 15-minute recess. Id., at 274 , 283–284.
Whatever right a defendant has to discuss other matters,
the Court held, he has no “right to discuss [his] testimony
while it is in process.” Id., at 284 . The trial judge’s order
prohibiting discussion of Villarreal’s ongoing testimony
plainly complied with both precedents.
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I cannot join the Court’s opinion because it opines on hy-
pothetical situations not before the Court and needlessly
expands our precedents. I therefore respectfully concur
only in the judgment.
I
Petitioner David Villarreal was charged with murder and
tried in Texas state court. Villarreal took the stand to tes-
tify in his own defense. While Villarreal was still on direct
examination, the judge had to recess trial for the day due to
a scheduling conflict. Ordinarily, a witness cannot consult
with counsel during his testimony. See Perry, 488 U. S., at
281–282, and nn. 4–5; Geders, 425 U. S., at 87 . The trial
judge therefore instructed Villarreal’s counsel not to dis-
cuss Villarreal’s testimony overnight. But his order allowed
Villarreal to confer with counsel about matters other than
his ongoing testimony:
“THE COURT: Normally your lawyer couldn’t come up
and confer with you about your testimony in the middle
of the trial and in the middle of having the jury hear
your testimony. And so I’d like to tell you that you can’t
confer with your attorney but [at] the same time you
have a Sixth Amendment right to talk to your attorney.
“So I’m really going to put the burden on [counsel] to
tell you the truth. . . . I’m going to ask that [counsel]
pretend that Mr. Villarreal is on the stand. You
couldn’t confer with him during that time.
. . . . .
“But I believe if you need to talk to your attorneys, I’m
not telling you, you can’t talk to them. But I’m going to
rely on [counsel] to use your best judgment in talking
to [Villarreal] because you can’t—you couldn’t confer
with him while he was on the stand about his testi-
mony. . . .
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“DEFENSE COUNSEL #1: All right. So just so I am
clear and don’t violate any court orders, that—because
he is still on direct and still testifying, that it is your
ruling that we cannot confer with our client?
“THE COURT: Let me help you with that. For in-
stance, suppose we go into a sentencing hearing and
you need to start talking to him about possible sentenc-
ing issues, you can do that. Does that make sense? I
don’t want you discussing what you couldn’t discuss
with him if he was on the stand in front of the [j]ury.
“DEFENSE COUNSEL #1: Okay.
“THE COURT: His testimony. I’m not sure whatever
else you’d like to talk with him about while he’s on the
stand. But ask yourselves before you talk to him about
something, is this something that—manage[s] his tes-
timony in front of the jury? Does that make sense to
you?
“DEFENSE COUNSEL #1: Sure, it does.
“DEFENSE COUNSEL #2: We aren’t going to talk to
him about the facts that he testified about.
“THE COURT: All right. Fair enough. But at the same
time—I’m going to put the burden on the lawyers, not
on him, because he has a constitutional right to confer
with you. At the same time, all lawyers are under—
they’re under different rules than the defendants are.
. . . . .
“And you’re going to have to decide, if he asks you any
questions and such, is this something that is going to
be considered to be conferring with him on the witness
stand while the jury is there or not.” 707 S. W. 3d 138 ,
141–142 (Tex. Crim. App. 2024) (some alterations and
boldface omitted).
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Villarreal’s counsel objected to the judge’s order, but the
judge overruled that objection. Id., at 142–143.
Villarreal resumed testifying the next day. Neither he
nor his counsel reported that the trial judge’s order impeded
any discussions. The record does not reflect that they
planned to discuss any matter even arguably covered by the
judge’s order. The jury later found Villarreal guilty of mur-
der.
On appeal, Villarreal argued that the trial judge’s order,
by preventing him from discussing his ongoing testimony
with his counsel, violated his Sixth Amendment right to
counsel. The Texas Court of Appeals affirmed because a
trial court may “limit [a defendant’s] right to confer with his
attorneys during an overnight recess to topics other than
his ongoing testimony.” 596 S. W 3d 338, 343 (2019). The
Texas Court of Criminal Appeals also affirmed on the
ground that a defendant has no right to discuss “ongoing
testimony.” 707 S. W. 3d, at 144–146.
This Court granted certiorari. 604 U. S. 1241 (2025).
II
The Sixth Amendment, made applicable to the States by
the Fourteenth Amendment, guarantees to a criminal de-
fendant the right to have “the Assistance of Counsel for his
defence.” It was enacted in response to English laws that
sometimes forced defendants to represent themselves at
trial. See Garza v. Idaho, 586 U. S. 232, 259 (2019)
(THOMAS, J., dissenting). This Court has interpreted it to
guarantee a defendant a right to discuss with counsel mat-
ters other than his ongoing testimony. The trial judge’s or-
der here allowed Villarreal and his counsel to discuss mat-
ters other than Villarreal’s ongoing testimony overnight, so
it did not violate his Sixth Amendment rights.
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A
Under our precedents, a defendant “has no constitutional
right to consult with his lawyer while he is testifying.”
Perry, 488 U. S., at 281 . Rather, “when he assumes the role
of a witness, the rules that generally apply to other wit-
nesses—rules that serve the truth-seeking function of the
trial—are generally applicable to him as well.” Id., at 282 .
Criminal defendants originally did not testify in their own
defense at trial. See Ferguson v. Georgia, 365 U. S. 570 ,
573–575 (1961). When they began doing so, this Court ex-
plained that they would do so “subject to all [the] criticisms
and burdens” of other witnesses. Reagan v. United States,
157 U. S. 301, 305 (1895). It is common practice for trial
judges to prohibit other witnesses from discussing their on-
going testimony with counsel. See Perry, 488 U. S., at 281–
282, and nn. 4–5; Geders, 425 U. S., at 87 .
This Court has recognized only one exception to the gen-
eral rule that a defendant has no constitutional right to con-
sult with his lawyer while he is testifying. In Geders, this
Court held that a trial judge could not bar a defendant from
talking “ ‘about anything’ ” with counsel during an over-
night recess. Id., at 91 . As this Court would explain, the
judge’s order in Geders was unconstitutional only because
it would impede discussion of matters “beyond the content
of the defendant’s own testimony.” Perry, 488 U. S., at 284 .
In Perry, this Court held that a trial judge therefore could
bar all conferral with counsel during a 15-minute recess be-
cause the Sixth Amendment does not protect discussion of
“th[e] testimony while it is in process.” Ibid.
Allowing any witness to discuss his ongoing testimony
with counsel, Perry explained, would undermine the truth-
seeking function of the trial. “Once the defendant places
himself at the very heart of the trial process,” the trial court
can ensure that “the story presented on direct is measured
for its accuracy and completeness by uninfluenced
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testimony on cross-examination.” Id., at 282–283 (internal
quotation marks omitted).
B
The trial judge’s order here complied with our precedents.
The trial judge instructed defense counsel not to “discus[s]
what you couldn’t discuss with [Villarreal] if he was on the
stand in front of the [j]ury,” and explained that “you
couldn’t confer with him while he was on the stand about
his testimony.” 707 S. W. 3d, at 142 (boldface omitted). The
trial judge otherwise allowed Villarreal and his counsel to
meet and discuss anything that they wanted. Ibid. Under
Geders and Perry, the trial judge’s order was constitutional
because Villarreal could discuss matters other than his tes-
timony. See Geders, 425 U. S., at 88 ; Perry, 488 U. S., at
284 . Perry, in fact, specifically endorsed orders that “permit
consultation between counsel and defendant during such a
recess, but forbid discussion of ongoing testimony.” Id., at
284, n. 8 . The order therefore did not deny Villarreal “the
Assistance of Counsel for his defence.” U. S. Const., Amdt.
6.
Perry also rejected Villarreal’s main counterargument.
Villarreal argues that because it is difficult to distinguish
discussion of testimony from discussion of other matters, he
should have been able to discuss his testimony in order to
ensure that he could discuss other topics, too. Brief for Pe-
titioner 24–38. But in Perry, three Justices dissented partly
because they, like Villarreal, did not believe that it was
“possible to distinguish discussions regarding trial strategy
from discussions regarding testimony.” 488 U. S., at 295,
n. 8 (opinion of Marshall, J.). The Perry majority made that
distinction nonetheless and endorsed orders that turn on
that distinction. Id., at 284, n. 8 .
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III
I am unable to join the majority opinion because it unnec-
essarily expands these precedents. It purports to “an-
nounce” a “rule” under which a defendant has a constitu-
tional right to “discussion of testimony” so long as that
discussion is “incidental to other topics.” Ante, at 9, 11, 12,
n. 5. It identifies new circumstances, not presented here,
in which a defendant supposedly has a right to discuss mat-
ters related to his ongoing testimony. Ante, at 9–10, 12.
And it endorses a methodology under which “any conflict
between the Sixth Amendment and the desire for untutored
testimony must ‘be resolved in favor of the right to the as-
sistance and guidance of counsel.’ ” Ante, at 12.
The majority opinion finds no support in Perry. As for a
general right to discuss testimony, this Court in Perry ex-
plained in straightforward terms that “we do not believe the
defendant has a constitutional right to discuss [his] testi-
mony while it is in process.” 488 U. S., at 284 ; cf. ante, at
9–11. Perry therefore endorsed orders that categorically
“forbid discussion of ongoing testimony.” 488 U. S., at 284,
n. 8 . That endorsement came in the context of a brief re-
cess. Id., at 284 . But, unlike the majority opinion in this
case, see ante at 9, 12, Perry never stated that those sorts
of categorial orders are forbidden overnight. As for the po-
tential conflict between the possibility for conferral and un-
compromised testimony, see ante, at 12, Perry clarified that
the Court would not read Geders to demand resolving them
in favor of conferral in all cases. “[W]hen [a defendant] as-
sumes the role of a witness, the rules that generally apply
to other witnesses—rules that serve the truth-seeking func-
tion of the trial—are generally applicable to him as well.”
Perry, 488 U. S., at 282 . Defendants, in other words, are
generally “subject to” the same “criticisms and burdens” as
other witnesses. Reagan, 157 U. S., at 305 .
The majority opinion does not claim that its approach
finds any support in the original meaning of the Sixth
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Amendment. The majority also does not claim that opining
on matters not presented by the facts was necessary to de-
cide this case, which involved an order that all agree was
constitutional.
I respectfully concur in the judgment.